Are you aware of the content of the New Health Plan?

[retiredarmy]

Check this out! Verification and pdf file of the plan available within the video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8

Lying, cheating politicians!

[Arius]

There's a saying that if it's too good to be true, it probably isn't.

There is a converse.

Seriously, do you REALLY believe that your yearly limit will be $5k? Seriously? That doesn't even pay for an operation to remove a tumor. Do you really believe that this bill will make cancer treatment illegal? Really? You truly think that?

Even Dr. Paul doesn't make that absurd claim. Yet the video does.

[Irlandese]

Arius, if you had bothered to watch the video (which obviously you didn't), you can see that for the most part, there's no better coverage with this plan than what those of us who have to insure ourselves are getting now. I guess you wouldn't know anything about that, being a government worker yourself, big guy. The difference is having the government mandating it. And we all know how well our government handles anything lately--NOT WELL.

You paid absolutely no attention to anything we posted a year ago about Tom Daschle and his ideas about healthcare rationing, so I cannot be bothered to repost it again for you. It is here, though; Matty covered it extensively. I paid attention, you apparently did not.

In the future, if you choose to refute anything RA has to post here, have the courtesy to bring some links to back it up, instead of your snotty/lame/Obot-bury-your-head-in-the-sand-as-usual mockery. It's getting old.

RA--thank you for posting this link. Murphy at PUMAPac has had people going over the bill page by page; she also had them go over the Porkulus Bill as well. It's all there in black and white for us to see--those of us still wise enough to ALWAYS QUESTION AUTHORITY.

[Arius]

If you had bothered to watch the video (which you obviously did not) you would not have missed what it claims in the first few seconds.



Again - do you REALLY THINK that the health care bill will eliminate operations like cancer treatments and organ transplants?

Seriously?

[Irlandese]

Arius--not only did I actually watch the video, I went and looked at the link/PDF. Chock-full of all kinds of interesting nuggets....and this is just what I found on 3 pages:

The Whole PDF Straight From the Horse's Mouth:

Page 29
(2) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—
4 (A) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—The cost-shar
5 ing incurred under the essential benefits pack
6 age with respect to an individual (or family) for
7 a year does not exceed the applicable level spec
8 ified in subparagraph (B).
9 (B) APPLICABLE LEVEL.—The applicable
10 level specified in this subparagraph for Y1 is
11 $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a
12 family. Such levels shall be increased (rounded
13 to the nearest $100) for each subsequent year
14 by the annual percentage increase in the Con
15 sumer Price Index (United States city average)
16 applicable to such year.

It gets even more interesting on page 30-31:

Page 30
SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
12 (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—
13 (1) IN GENERAL.—There is established a pri
14 vate-public advisory committee which shall be a
15 panel of medical and other experts to be known as
16 the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to rec
17 ommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced,
18 and premium plans.
19 (2) CHAIR.—The Surgeon General shall be a
20 member and the chair of the Health Benefits Advi
21 sory Committee.
22 (3) MEMBERSHIP.—The Health Benefits Advi
23 sory Committee shall be composed of the following
24 members, in addition to the Surgeon General:

Page 31
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1 (A) 9 members who are not Federal em
2 ployees or officers and who are appointed by
3 the President.
4 (B) 9 members who are not Federal em
5 ployees or officers and who are appointed by
6 the Comptroller General of the United States in
7 a manner similar to the manner in which the
8 Comptroller General appoints members to the
9 Medicare Payment Advisory Commission under
10 section 1805(c) of the Social Security Act.
11 (C) Such even number of members (not to
12 exceed 8) who are Federal employees and offi
13 cers, as the President may appoint.

[pcmoore28]

If individuals are selected for the Advisory Boards that are connected to the insurance industry, then this will not bode well for the plan nor us. Of course, the details of all this will not be known until after the plan is passed by our Congress. Amyone voting for this bill will be committing politiucal suicide....the majority of Americans do not want this plan.

It is outrageous that we will be mandated to pay premiums to a private, for-profit company to deliver healthcare. I still do not understand how this is reform. Take the profit out of healthcare and maybe you will have my ear.

[Arius]

The cost-sharing incurred

You seriously cannot imagine who this limited liability applies to other than the government?

Seriously? The interpretation in the video is truly the limit of your imagination?

Really?

Really?

[illinoismel]

When it comes to health care, let me just add my two cents worth. First of all, I am not able to read this bill and offer an opinion on it and if I could, you wouldn't find me setting here at my computer, you would find me in office.

Secondly, I find it interesting that many years ago, when you needed health care, you were able to get it. I mean because the general practioners were there. Were they rich? Well sorta, but they weren't the mega millionaires you see today, but they were well off. Why? Because they saw that many patients. Nobody stops to think today that it is the insurance companies paying the doctors instead of the patients. If people back then couldn't pay the doctors, they were able to pay as they could. Where did this all go wrong? Why is it that health care is all insurance now? It is not only insurance for your health care, but it has also evolved around insurance for doctors and malpractice suits. Notice the two insurance issues here?

Thirdly, there is no doubt there needs to be changes but my main question is when in the hell is it a right for insurance? When did we decide it was a right for people to have insurance? I don't remember polio, smallpox and some of the other diseases people came down with ever being denied health care because it was a public epidemic. Seems to me the new flu they placed a panic on America with should have been paid for by the government, but oh my, look how much money was spent by whom?

So, let's take it a step further. The uninsured. Has anyone questioned the uninsured in this argument? Just exactly who are these people? Who are they? Why are tax dollars going to be involved into treating people that the insurance companies are going to compensate doctorsand hospitals for at astronomical rates?

Just a little rant on my part. You can ignore me if you wish, but I will be back.

[Betty Lou]

Hear Hear Mel, valid points for sure. I remember not so long ago, those that were ill more often than not sought government jobs, both Federal and State. Why you may ask...because it was vastly those two entities that provided insurance benefits for their employees. I remember when the public began demanding their employers provide them Insurance like the Federal and State Governments, I remember a sliding scale in the doctors office for those of us who did not have insurance and those that did. I remember I could go to the dentist and it not cost me a jawbone and a hip to have my teeth worked on, and which doctors do you think most Insurance providers do not give very good coverage too...eye doctors, dentists and alternative medicine type doctors such as chiropractors etc. Most of these doctors cut drastically by Insurance companies now have their own in-house financing plans...So a root canal will cost you merely two years to pay off, cap it and it will cost you three years to pay off. Kinda similar to those check writing places and all those backyard car dealers who pick up their inventory from Insurance companies who totaled wrecked cars, auctions and disaster area's.

But lets not get off track here...Insurance...remember what this meant originally...it was a document to guard against losing everything you worked hard for all your life in-case the dreaded peril of a debilitating illness consumed you or your loved ones. Now we want to make it a necessary instrument if you want to see a doctor for the lowly sniffles or annual checkup.

As it has been reported, the documents and documents of fraudulent billing year after year...Insurance companies have been bilked...and when that happens...everyone pays the price. I don't think doctors are anymore rich today than they were back then, not given most of the hours they devote, equipment they need, and liability insurance they have to have to safeguard against those who will sue the pants off of them. I don't really see them living any larger than bankers, corporate CEO's, our congress, our senators, our mayors, our governors or anyone else in the position of power and money.

If....and I say this with adamant fervor...If we don't start using our heads and common sense regarding this new want...we will forever be ruled by government in how, when and where we will get our next meal, shot or paycheck.

Everyone knows that if you have a third party entity involved in anything, the cost of the product goes up...if I grow apples and sell them to Mel, Mel is not going to give those apples away at the same cost she bought them for...this same principle applies to Insurance companies...eliminate the insurance company from the equation and health care will become affordable. Insurance should go back to the old principles...you only purchase it help your in a crisis of long term illness to help keep your out of pocket costs affordable without bankrupting yourself and your family.

Again, the biggest god forsaken stupid stupid ever dominating blubbering shit that the dems and repubs are dickering back and forth over is the FUCKING political hostage tyranny of "abortion".

Again I would plead with the people to throw this one single...completely a god given choice of the person involved and nobody else's FUCKING business...issue of Roe vs Wade and abortion out of the world of our politics. Not State's business and certainly not Federal governments business.

I would really like to see our officials take care of those unwanted babies, before they are burned, beat, have their heads pummeled against the wall for crying, hooked on crack before they are even born, birthed and then placed in garbage cans, shot, drowned, abused, raped, and then they are expected to grow up normal?????? This issue belongs in the the family...taking responsibility to educate our children, taking responsibility for our children from cradle to grave...not allowing the government to take control...didn't work back when and doesn't work now...might as well start sterilizing people....men and women.

And that is about all I have to say on this subject.